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ke on your debt at sofi.com. this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone. i'm kate bolduan. we begin this hour with what could be a major shakeup coming for the trump administration. is the secretary of state on the way out? sources are now telling cnn that there is a plan taking shape to push out rex tillerson after just ten months on the job. let's get over to the white house for the details and what is coming out at this moment. abby philip is there. what are you picking up? >> government sources are could
arkansas senator tom cotton a close ally of the white house, has several allies within the administration senior officials and also is close to the president, we know tom cotton is simpatico with president trump on a number of issues whether immigration or national security. we're cautioning this decision, these decisions are not final yet and the plans for the move could be taking shape over the course of the next few months. so tillerson's rift with the president, we know, has burst into the public sphere with reports that he called the president a moron in a private meeting. the white house batted that down. but sources tell cnn that that relationship continues to deteriorate and a plan is being contemplated to replace him sooner rather than later.
>> the fact that a plan of who would be coming in and then filling in the slot afterward is out there, sure says something. and to reiterate there is no deadline, no date, no expectation yet on when things could all come to pass? >> there is not. and we also know that for a while now, white house sources have been saying that rex tillerson might last about a year. we're close to that mark now. it could very well be that we are weeks or months away from a final decision being made but you're right the fact that there is a plan being contemplating, names are being put forward, is a significant indication that this is under serious consideration. >> all right. and we will be seeing president trump, he will be meeting in his -- sitting down in the oval office with the crown prince of bahrain this hour and see if he will answer questions about this. cameras will be going in and bring you that as soon as that comes back to us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. turn now to more breaking news, just now on capitol hill, the republican tax overhaul winning a key yes vote just now.
cnn's suzanne malveaux on the hill with the latest. john mccain has been an undecided, big question mark, what is he saying? >> it's a big wild card and now kate, you cannot overstate the significance of this. they is a yes oat vovote now. just put out a statement saying the legislation is far from perfect but overall boosts the economy and gives relief to the middle class. he goes through his process the way he's thinking about all of this. he was one of the people who was a holdout, certainly not sure. he was the one that killed the health care repealing the health care obamacare bill, and so what he is saying now, is that he's satisfied with the process and thinks that the corporate tax rate being lowered to 20% is very strong, that it will, in fact, boost the economy and points to the idea of the child tax credit doubling and says the repeal of the obamacare individual mandate is essentially a tax for poor people who cannot afford health care, that this is actually
going to help them in the long run and finally, kate, interestingly enough, he does address the deficit hawks who say look at this, this is going to cost $1.5 trillion, what is going to happen to the federal deficit here, the cost of this, and he essentially says he recognizes their concerns, but it's far from perfect and that overall, he believes the net outcome is going to be good for the economy and this country. kate, we just heard about 20 minutes ago from a majority leader mitch mcconnell who in his words said they are on the cusp of a great victory, perhaps why he was so optimistic about that, because we're looking at about 16 hours or so of debate on the senate floor over this, see various amendments introduced, impassioned discussions and speeches, but ultimately in the end mcconnell saying he believes they're going to get the vote and as early as tomorrow. kate? >> let's see how much this bill changes between now and then. suzanne, thank you so much. all right. joining me now to discuss, a key member of the senate, republican senator lindsey graham, of south carolina.
senator, thanks for coming in. >> glad to be with you. >> with this news, a lot of news, start with this, with john mccain an official yes, are you prepared to say that the votes are there and thing thing is cooked? >> it's almost ready to take out of the oven, yeah. we're going to get there. a matter of how we get there. it's not if we get there, how we get there. we will get a pass, pass this tax cut bill this week. >> i mean, ron johnson has been one of the people on the fence and you've been working with him. you two are now pushing for a change that would increase one of the key things, a credit for pass through entities, the credit be higher, that would get ron johnson on board. do you have any indication the leaders are on board with that? >> i don't know. c corporations, can deduct state and local taxes individuals can't, and pass through entities cannot, so i want to put the c corporations who get a tax cut from 35 to 20, that they put in the same boat as everybody else
and take that money that would have gone to c corporations in terms of deducting their state and local taxes and helping pass through entities with a higher deduction, i'm on that amendment with ron johnson. i think that's good policy. whether or not we get it passed today, i think eventually we'll get that done, i hope. >> even if it's not part of the bill, though, you're a yes on this? >> i'm a yes, but i'm trying to make the bill as good as possible and i think taking this away from corporations which nobody else gets, just makes good policy to me. >> let me ask you about the other big news coming out of the white house out of the administration right now, the fact that they're now contemplating a scenario, a plan in the works, to replace secretary of state rex tillerson with cia director mike pom pay yo and the leading candidate to replace mike pompeo would be tom cotton at the cia would you support all those moves? >> if that's what the president wants. i had breakfast with secretary tillerson, great meeting about
his effort to reorganize the state department, a lot of what he's doing has been misrepresented that he needs to push back, misrepresented and he needs to push back about what he's doing, how he's doing it and why he's doing it, but i don't know. i don't know the palace intrigue at the white house. if the president wants to change secretary of states that's his power to do so. pompeo would be a good pick. tom cotton is a capable man, a national security expert as far as i'm concerned. i don't have any knowledge of what you're saying other than reading it in the paper. >> absolutely. but when it comes to it, though, has rex tillerson done a bad job, senator? >> i think he hasn't been forceful enough in explaining what he's trying do. what he did is he asked the people in the state department how can i make your job better. can we do more with less? where is duplication, how can we eradicate it, what are the hurdles to getting your john done. he's -- your job done. he needs to explain to the public what he's doing. only 10 people less in the state department this year than there
was last year. there are a lot of people in london that probably some of them should be out in the field. when you go on a one-year tour it should probably be two. if you're a linguistic expert, so you can get the most bang for the taxpayer buck. he's doing things that makes sense but hasn't done a very good job of explaining what he's doing. >> do you think he should go? do you think he hasn't explained enough that he should be out in. >> i have no reason to want to replace secretary tillerson. i enjoy working with him. i think he's been loyal to the president. i think he's a smart guy. that's up to the president of the united states. the secretary of state's main job is to give the president of the united states good, sound advice and explain the president to the world. the secretary of state's job is try to explain the president to the world and, you know, i know he's doing the best he can. >> well, and one of those areas where the secretary of state is so important and key is the area of north korea and the nuclear threat from north korea right
now. >> right. >> you've offered a pretty dire warning this week that united states is headed to war if things don't change with north korea. >> right. >> senator, what is next here? >> well, if they continue to test missiles and perfect their missile technology, so it can deliver a nuclear weapon to the united states, they would have crossed a red line that president trump drew. whether or not they should have drawn the line or not he did. he told the north korean and chinese i will never allow you to build a icbm to hit america. i will prevent the threat from occurring. the new tests puts him closer to being able to hit america with a nuclear weapon. headed towards a preemptive war with north korea if things don't change. china provides almost all of the oil to the north korean economy. if china denied oil to north korean economy tomorrow, in return for their change in behavior, they could get it. clearly china doesn't believe trump is serious about a
military engagement as a last resort. clearly north korea is not listening to china. something has to change or we're going to have a conflict to protect the american homeland. if there's going to be a war it's going to be over there, not here. >> so then what could the change be? i mean, do you think it has to be -- it has to be imminent? >> i think the change is to start talking with north korea. the chinese share the same goal as president trump. no nuclear weapons in north korea or south korea. the chinese, if they wanted to, could change behavior in north korea tomorrow. they own their economy. there would be no nuclear north korea without chinese help. president trump is right to look to china to solve this problem. and he's telling the chinese don't miscalculate where i'm coming from. if i have to pick between homeland security and regional stability i'm picking the american homeland. you see the graphs about how the north korean missile program can reach every city in america. >> yeah. >> i want china to have a grasp of what america can do in their
backyard to north korea. >> how does he show that then? >> i think you'll be seeing pretty soon some escalation of military capability. i think the president and his administration are going to begin to build up american capability to deal with the north korean threat to our homeland. we're not trying to spread democracy to north korea. we're not looking for regime change. we're not trying to unify south korea and north korea. we're trying to prevent the north koreans from hitting america with a nuclear tipped missile and if it takes military action to do so, we're going to start preparing for that day and i think you're going to see a ramp up in military capability. >> and are you on board with a ramp up in military capability over there? >> i am like 100% on board with the idea that if it takes military force to protect america from a crazy man having a nuclear weapon that can hit our homeland, so be it. i don't want a war with north korea, it would be devastating
to south korea, and it would be devastating -- >> you don't think that ratchets it up? >> it makes it real to the chinese. we're running out of options here. for 25 years, we've been begging the chinese to help us with north korea. we've been cutting off food. we've been giving them food. sanctioning them, relieving sanctions, and everything we do doesn't work. the north koreans believe in spite of all these sanctions the best bet for them is to get a nuclear weapon and missile to hit america. donald trump has said rightly so we're not going to live that way as americans. i'm not going to let my country live under the threat of a nuclear attack from north korea and if i have to go to war to prevent it i will. if the chinese want to help us they need to do it quickly and if there is going to be a war it's in china's back yard. >> do you know what the escalation will look like? >> just stay tuned. >> i think we all will have to. and i think everyone over there is definitely listening now. senator. let he -- >> keep going. >> a step forward if they are. >> well we will see.
nothing you're going to announce here at the moment, i assume? >> good assumption. >> okay. thank you, senator. let me move on to something else that is all over the place and has become an international -- something of an international incident. >> right. >> the president pushing out these unverified anti-muslim videos on twitter. yesterday when asked about it you called it particularly inappropriate. someone else who agrees with you is the british prime minister who today spoke out against president trump on this very issue. the british prime minister, who is in jordan, speaking out against this. >> yeah. >> is the president doing harm with this? >> yeah. i think it was a very unhelpful decision by the president to embrace a right wing website in britain that markets an islamophobia religious bigotry and give it credibility. i will put my zeal up against anybody including that of president trump. i have been pretty forward leaning in terms of fighting radical islam, fighting them
over there so we don't have to fight them here, keep the troops we need over there to protect america. open up gitmo, don't close it. change the rules of engames. one thing i've learned after 42 trips to the region is that the antidote to terrorism is not racism and religious bigotry. when you embrace religious bigotry, when you say that all muslims are the same, then you're under cutting our effort to win the war. all of our muslim allies throughout the world have to be disappointed that president trump chose to embrace this website. to the british prime minister i understand your concerns. i think it was very inappropriate for the president of the united states to retweet these videos because they just breed hatred and contempt. the way to fight the war against radicals islam is to incite those who reject the radical elements of their faith, not cast the entire faith under the same -- with a broad brush and i just cannot tell you how big a
miscalculation this is. this is embracing people who are religious bigots. this lady is charged with religious harassment inside of britain. the parliament member who was killed by a right wing crazy man, he referenced this site. the president is trying to inform us all that radical islam is a threat. i understand that, mr. president. you're right to want to take on radical islam. but when you embrace sites like this you're undercutting the war effort and you're putting our allies in britain in a bad spot. so to the british prime minister, i understand your concern, and i think a lot of people in america don't want to go down the road the president is going and i hope he will not do this in the future. >> senator, you've had a lot of meetings, you've had an evolving relationship with this president from the campaign onward but you've had meetings and played golf with him and a lot of conversations and many of them about foreign policy. does he not understand in your
view what you just said? because the white house defending him yesterday said, that basically that this is not a big deal. they downplayed the fact that he put these videos out. >> well, i respectfully disagree. the president wants to defeat radical islam. he wants to take the gloves off. i support that. he wants to change the rules of engagement to go after terrorist morse aggressively. he had a chance to declare this guy as an enemy combatant and gather intelligence. hope he won't make that mistake again. i support the idea of going on the offensive but after 42 trips to the region the last thing you want to do is make this a war against islam itself. i met with the king of jordan a couple days ago. no better ally when it comes to winning the war on terror than king abdullah. what he's done by embracing this website he's embracing people who traffic in religious bigotry. that's -- the antidote to terrorism is not race imand religious bigotry. the antidote to terrorism is going after terrorists in
cooperation with those in the faith who reject terrorism. >> so many people agree with you. can you then trust the president to project that abroad? do you trust the president making these decisions then, if this is what he's putting out? >> i think the president has done a good job of changing the rules of engagement against isil in a strong way, a good relationship with the saudi royal family and leaders throughout the middle east because he's been hard on iran, iran is the cancer of the middle east, i think this was a miscalculation. i don't doubt what he was trying to do in his own mind was to make the problem radical islam more real, but embracing this radical website is not helping the cause. it's hurting the cause. and we have no better ally than our friends in great britain. the special relationship is just not a word we use or a term we use. it acts out over time. when we go to war the brits go to war. when you put the british leaders in a bad position, you're not
helping the cause. >> so has that special relationship been damaged with three retweets? >> i don't think it was helped. it is a strong relationship. the president respects our british allies. all i can say is i support the president's decision to get tough on the with war on terror. i do not support the idea of embracing religious bigotry as an antidote to terrorism and that's what this website is all about. this website markets in hate and religious bigotry. i don't know if the videos are accurate or not. i can tell you this, the last thing we want to do as americans is to put our british friends in a bad spot, declare war on the faith itself. we need to be building relationships in the muslim world, islamic world, not embracing religious bigotry. >> there are also reports out in both "the new york times" and "washington post" that the president is now denying in private that it was his voice on
that "access hollywood" tape from the campaign and also he is now returning to questions once again president obama's birth place. has he ever talked to you about this? >> no. the point i'm trying to make about the president is that i do enjoy his company. he did a masterful job in the conference yesterday selling this tax cut plan. he's going to do things on immigration bush and obama could never do. he's a dealmaker at heart. sees the iranians for the threat they are. he is now changing the rules of the game on the military by building it up, not tearing it down. i have a lot in common with the president. but there are times that we disagree. the tactics we need to adopt in winning the war on terror does not include this website. so i will continue to work with the president, i will continue to play golf. he would like me to. i want to help him every way i can to defend the country, cut taxes, build up our infrastructure and do something to replace obamacare. at the end of the day the only
way i can be helpful to the president is to be honest and honestly, mr. president, embracing this website, was a step backward not forward. >> this ultraright nationalist group, political group, in great britain. separate from these retweets the fact that there are these multiple reports coming out about what he -- what he is talking about in private again, about the "access hollywood" tape and about the debunk conspiracy theory where president obama's birth place, the fact that he's going back there right now, in the midst of everything you and i have discussed, does that concern you at this point? >> you know what concerns me about the american press is this endless, endless attempt to label the guy as some kind of cook, not fit to be president. he did win. he beat me and 16 other -- >> i'm not -- but returning -- >> i'm being honest with you. every time you turn on the tv, there are three cable networks on one he can do no wrong, on
the other two he's a constant mess and at the end of the day he makes mistakes. i hope i am capable of saying i don't agree with you here but agree there. it's pretty frustrating for most republicans, quite frankly, that this 24/7 attack on everything the president does or thinks gets old after a while. >> well, it's not -- believe me, i would argue respectfully, senator, it's not constant but when these reports come out and the white house is not denying them -- >> ask the president. >> i would be happy to ask the president. >> okay. >> when you're golfing with him next, tell him that kate has been -- would love to have an interview with him. i would love to. regardless, thank you for your time, always appreciate it. >> thanks a bunch. >> thank you so much. we're going to go from capitol hill, thank you, senator graham, to the white house right now. president trump has been meeting this hour with the crown prince of bahrain. i think we have the tape in. let's listen.
>> thank you very much. it's my great honor to have the crown prince of bahrain in the oval office. we're doing a lot of business. they're buying a lot of things. i heard $9 billion is thrown about. that's a veries nice trip. we appreciate it. we've had a long relationship and great relationship and it will only get better. i can tell you they've been and you have been a great friend and we appreciate it very much and appreciate you being at the white house. >> thank you, mr. president. >> thank you. >> it's a great honor to be here. this is a very important trip for us. and, indeed, we are building on 100 years relationship between the kingdom of bahrain and the united states of america. the peoples of both countries have benefited from this relationship and we continue to seek ways to strength than. thank you for hongering me with
this meeting. >> it's a great honor. thank you. >>. [ speaking at the same time ] >> rex tillerson on the job, mr. president. >> he's here. rex is here. thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. right there. president trump sitting with the crown prince of bahrain asked about rex tillerson at the very end and his -- rex tillerson, the secretary of state, who we've now learned there is a plan in the works contemplating pushing rex tillerson out and who would be in his place would be mike pompeo the cia director coming from sources within the administration and the president there saying he is here, rex is here. the president, of course, asking if he would stay in the job. let's talk about that and everything that we've learned. this morning we also have learned as i was discussing with senator lindsey graham, strong words are coming from british prime minister theresa may, slamming president trump for retweeting anti-muslim videos from a far right fringe group in
the uk. take a listen to this. >> the fact that we work together does not mean that we're afraid to say when we think the united states have got it wrong and to be very clear with them and i'm very clear that retweeting from britain first was the wrong thing to do. >> all right. joining me now to discuss, tony blinken, cnn global affairs analyst, former deputy secretary of state and security adviser under president obama. a lot to get to. we have the british prime minister speaking out today, we have what's going on over with secretary of state, and we have this fascinating conversation i just had with senator lindsey graham. i hope you had a moment, a chance to listen to it. if we could start start with what i discussed with lindsey graham if i could. i want to get your take. i asked him about north korea and in it, when i asked him he said i think you will be seeing soon escalation of military capability, a ramp up of military capability and said stay tuned. in the -- with everything that's going on right now what do you
think that means? >> i'm not sure. look, i have great respect for senator graham. he's a friend. he's been a terrific senator and he was right, very much right on one point i heard him make, that china needs to do more to put meaningful pressure on north korea to come to the table and negotiate something. but i think that, you know, the notion that we would engage in some kind of military attack on north korea leads us down a very, very dangerous road. the fact of the matter is that -- >> but just a build up, what would a build up do? >> look, part of the problem is that because of the president's rhetoric on this over many months, fire and fury, et cetera, the signals that are being sent to north korea are that we're basically lowering the bar on using military action against them. and kim jong-un is already paranoid we're out to get him, to take him down, end the regime. he could easily misinterpret some kind of build up, something innocuous like flying b1 bombers
over the peninsula as the start of an effort to take him down and in that case maybe he cashes in his nuclear insurance policy. this is very, very dangerous stuff. and it's particularly important in this area to i think speak a lot softer, carry a big stick, but speak softer, be deliberate about what you're doing, but don't rile things up. the president has done the opposite. >> we will see. as lindsey graham said, stay tuned. we will see what that means and if that is fitting more into the category we're talking about, speak softer, carry a big stick. on what i played for you as well, theresa may, speaking out, in jordan, against the american president and his retweets. these anti-muslim videos retweeted. are they a new territory here and now? >> well, you know, kate, first you have to work awful hard to pick a fight with your closest ally an the president managed to do that in the space of a few tweets. it makes life so much more
complicated for us across the board. it's going to be harder to get partners and friends in the arab and muslim world, united in the fight against extremism. it's going to create divisions in our own society. of course it makes life more complicated for theresa may legitimizing this neo nazi party in great britain. it would be one thing if the president was going after all extremists of every stripe, some of whom, a small number of whom happened to be muslim, a different thing to do what he's doing which is go after all muslim, a small number who happen to be violent extremists. this is playing into the hands of that fringe of the violent extremists. legitimizing the notion we're in a war against islam and it will help recruitment, make people here in the united states more fearful, and unfortunately, what we're seeing is a normalization of incitement and bigotry. just as he unfortunately has normalized not telling the truth on a regular basis, now he's normalizing incitement and
that's a very dark place to go. >> well, with regard to the video, that is one area you and lindsey graham are absolutely in lockstep with. >> senator graham is eloquent and right on the money on that. >> this reporting coming out that we have from our white house team that there is a plan in the works, the white house is contemplating a plan, that would push out rex tillerson, the secretary of state, and in his place, would be the cia director mike pompeo and in his place at the cia could possibly be senator tom cotton of arkansas. what do you think of this? >> you know, secretary tillerson has been a paradox because on the one hand, on substantive issues from where i sit, he's taken good and i think moderate positions. he's tried, for example, to convince the president to stick with the transpacific partnership, paris climate accord, iran nuclear deal, to continue to take a tough line on putin and ukraine, across the board he's taken sensible positions. he hasn't been effective, the
president isn't listening to him, but he's trying to do the right thing. internally, unfortunately, he has gutted the state department. and we've seen a lot of reporting on this in recent days, but freezing hiring, going along with a 30% cut to the state department budget, encouraging senior foreign officers to leave and they're leaving in droves, will have an impact not just today but in five or ten years when these people normally would be in the most senior positions. so the hard truth is, he's likely to go down when he does leave, as one of the most consequential secretaries in recent memory but for all the wrong reasons. >> we will again -- the plan is in the works. donald trump saying just now he's here, rex is here, in terms of being asked about this whole thing, no word yet on exactly when the plan, if this plan is put in place, when it will happen. i appreciate the time. >> thanks, kate. >> following more breaking news and heading back to capitol hill for this. house minority leader, top
democrat in the house, nancy pelosis, is now calling on long-time democratic congressman john conyers to resign over the sexual harassment allegations against him. this has been an evolution we should say. to m.j. lee on capitol hill with more. what changed? >> kate, this is definitely big news coming out of the house a few minutes ago. nancy pelosi officially calling on congressman john conyers to resign. she actually spoke about this at length at a press conference that just took place and said that his allegations, the allegations that were made against him, were very serious, disappointing and very credible. here's a little of what she had to say about the congressman. >> it's very sad. the brave women that came forward are owed justice. i pray for congressman conyers and his family and wish them well. however, congressman conyers should resign. >> just to clarify you just did call for conyers to resign? >> i said he should resign.
>> have you relayed that to him? >> i'm saying it to you now. >> something else nancy pelosi said in the press conference was no matter how great a legacy there's no license to harass or discriminate. now you were talking about kind of an evolution that pelosi has gone through over the last couple days. remember it was not that long ago that she got some heat for saying in a "meet the press" interview conyers was an icon, he had done a lot to help women. that did not sit well for even some of her own colleagues who felt like pelosi needed to speak out in stronger terms and come to a decision about what should happen to her colleague. now, it's also interesting that, you know, the context here which is that a lot of members who were close to conyers were actually talking in the last couple days about whether there is a way for him to gracefully exit, whether there is a way for them to help him, sort of keep his legacy intact. you know that he is the longest
serving member of the house, a big figure, a towering figure in the civil rights movements, so all of these things left open the question of well, at what point will there be sort of enough momentum and enough support for the idea of calling on this congressman to resign. and i think the other sort of interesting context here and the conversations that will follow is, what is going to be the bar now for members to say, if a fellow colleague behaves in a certain way, then they really need to resign. what counts as very serious and credible. as more of these sexual harassment allegations come out on capitol hill. >> yeah. and we'll see what impact the statement from nancy pelosi just now will have on john conyers and his decision as we've reported throughout the morning he's in the hospital right now. that was some of the breaking news last hour. he is in the hospital at the moment back home in michigan. m.j., thank you so much. let's stay in the capitol, paul
ryan, is holding his weekly news conference with reporters and listen in. >> no woman should have to endure harassment in any form in any institution, let alone here in congress. second, i'm formally inviting president trump to address a joint session of congress on tuesday, january 30th, in order to report on the state of the union. this will be a good opportunity for the country to hear directly from the president on the progress that we've made and on the work that needs to be done on our shared agenda and look forward to him accepting our invitation. lastly, on tax reform, i want to make sure you saw this letter from 137 economists across the ideological spectrum to congress that we received yesterday. want to read two sentences from this letter. the question isn't whether american workers are hurt by our country's corporate tax rate. it's how badly. the enactment of comprehensive overhaul, complete with a lower corporate tax rate will ignite
our economy with levels of growth not seen in generations. this is one reason why tax reform is the single biggest thing we can do to help middle income families and workers. with faster growth you get bigger paychecks. faster growth you get better paying jobs. with faster growth, you get a higher standard of living. of course the focus of this plan is on hard-working american families and that's why we're providing a significant tax relief for them as well. that's the whole purpose of this. to help people who are living paycheck to paycheck, not only keep more of their own money in the first place, but to help them make more money and find good, better paying jobs. tax reform is going to make such a big difference for americans of all walks of life. we're looking forward to the senate taking action on their bill. enthused and excited they're on the floor working on tax reform and once they do as the majority indicated we will move to go to
conference committee as soon as possible. questions. kay kaci. >> should john conyers resign as speaker of the house can you guarantee tax reform will bes passed by the end of the year? >> first, marianne brown, is that her name? i heard what she said on nbc. no one should have to go through something like that, let alone here in congress. yes, i think he should resign immediately. i've been briefed on the torrent of allegations and i think he should. your second question was on tax reform, i'm not a guy who's in the guarantee business because i can only control this side of the capitol, i am very confident we can get this done this year. >> tomorrow marks one week before the december 8th funding deadline, based on the current state of play how long do you think a continuing resolution would need to be for a deal to be reached and at what point would that come together? >> it would be nice if they show up to meetings. our counterparts would participate in the negotiations
necessary to not just keep the government open but to get a cap agreement. i don't know why they decided not to show up for these negotiations. when you negotiate legislation, congress passes a bill, the president signs it, and that's why congress and the president's negotiate legislation. i did it when bush was president. i did when obama was president. donald trump is our president. people should show up for negotiations. so i'm getting there. so when they go -- when they decide not to participate in the negotiations they're hardly in a good place to make a demand i would say. we're going to, obviously, have to have a short-term cr. the duration of the cr we're in talks with our own members and having a conference with our members that go through all of that. stay tuned on that. i would also like to point out the fact that the house has passed all the appropriation bills. the house passed all 12 appropriation bills in september. so we here in the house, i think for the first time since '04 as
a republican majority, have passed all 12 appropriation bills ahead of the fiscal year deadline but as you know the senate can filibuster those things. so, we will pass a short-term cr that is necessary to keep the government open to keep talks going, hopefully people will decide to participate in the talks, and at the senate democrats choose to filibuster that they will have chosen to shut the government down, something we do not want to see happen. >> senator collins claims she has an agreement with senator mcconnell to get the alexander murray issue addressed before the end of the year and appears to be conditioning her support for tax reform on that. could you support alexander murray under those circumstances? >> i'm in the going to comment on end games with tax reform or conference committee issues. i think the senate did a very good job of not commenting on our process while we were processing tax reform. i'm not going to comment on their deliberations while they're in the midst of
considering tax reform. all these issues and i'm sure there are a number of other questions on amendments to go through today we will work on the end game in the conference committee. i'm not going to comment on any other deliberations right now. >> mr. speaker, more lewd social media messages surfaced today from congressman joe barton be apparently a constituent said that he had messaged her over facebook, some lewd messages, inappropriate -- >> today? >> well -- yesterday. >> i will have to get back to you. >> this is in addition to photos and videos. have you spoken with mr. barton and do you think he should resign or face reprimand? >> i have spoken with him and going to continue speaking with him. yeah. >> mr. speaker, thank you. i just want to -- [ inaudible ] is a conference committee how
differences are going to be worked out or any chance that it will be a conference committee? my other -- my harder question is, despite all of the things in your tax bill and what is emerging in the senate tax bill that i know you guys feel very good about, good for the economy and good for taxpayers, the polling on your bill, which is finished, is not good. why do you think that is and how do you turn that around? >> you know what turns it around, economic growth. jobs. more take home pay. bigger paychecks. a more confident economy. companies bringing money into america from overseas. so sure, you can see what people don't actually see a law passing and results occurring and banter on television and pundits arguing against each other are going to be confused, they're going to be -- going to be misled in certain directions results are what matter. we're in the results business here and that's why getting this
done, i was shaking my head up and down meaning we're going to go to conference. this is such an important piece of legislation, generational defining and you don't skip the legislative process. you go through the regular legislative process and that means we will be going to a conference committee. >> any chance you make the tax reform legislation if you get it retroactive to this tax year? >> i'm not going to get into the finer details of the end game in the conference. like i answered andy. so you had one back there, yeah. >> the disaster aid bill is still being formed. sounds like texas and florida and puerto rico and the usvi want that moved. can you give us an update on where you are and if that will be added to the cr and move on this? >> i don't think it will be in time for this current cr we're doing only because the appropriators have eight hearings this week on it. let's just say there was a level of dissatisfaction with these delegations with the omb submission and so we have asked the appropriators to get
together with these delegations to discuss the disaster supplemental and work with them on compiling a disaster supplemental. it will take more than few days to do that. they're doing eight hearings this week on it. it's going to take the appropriators an these delegations the uvi, puerto rico, texas, florida, louisiana, it's going to take them time it to work this out. we anticipate moving as quickly as we can, but we know a few days is not going to be enough. it's going to take longer than that. >> last question. >> mr. speaker on tuesday the supreme court is going to hear arguments in the masterpiece kaip case -- >> what case? >> the masterpiece cake shop case -- >> not tracking with you. >> the case is about kyle baker asserts a first amendment right to deny making a wedding cake for a same-sex couple despite the state's discrimination law. >> i haven't given it thought. i will give one more. >> as you know, democrats have been pushing for some sort of
daca resolution on part of the zero spending deal. did you have that discussion at the white house? >> you have to show up if you want to make your point. i don't think democrats are in a very good position to to be making demands if they're not going to participate in the negotiations to move legislation forward. do we have to have a daca solution, yes, we do. the deadline is march as far as i understand it. other deadlines in front of that like fiscal year deadlines an appropriation deadlines. but if they want to get to a solution they ought to come to the table and start talking. >> i'm not going to go into the would have, could have, should have, or go into it with the media. with all due respect. >> paul ryan there speaking with reporters at his weekly press conference, saying for the first time, we believe, saying john conyers, the long-time democratic member of the house, should resign and resign immediately and also comes on the heels of the breaking news that nancy pelosi said the very
same. let me bring in right now rebecca burg, cnn political reporter and matt visser and deputy washington bureau chief of "the boston globe". rebecca first to you, what impact do you think the statements have on john conyers? so far he has denied and said he's not going to be stepping down. and now nancy pelosi coming out to say he should resign and paul ryan, the speaker of the house saying he should as well. >> that's right. it could create an unsustainable political burden for congressman conyers as he faces these allegations, as he faces also the political firestorm that they have sparked. look, nancy pelosi as you know, sparked a firestorm over the weekend when she stopped short of calling on conyers to resign. this signaled that she sends today, gives democrats the green light to take that step and follow her lead and also call on him to resign. so when the leader of your party in the house says you need to step down the political weight
is going to become unsustainable for congressman conyears at this point. >> matt, what's your take on this? what we've heard most often from lawmakers about their fellow lawmakers is, let the process play out. that's why there is an ethics committee, let the process play, get all the facts and then there will be a decision. what has changed this week? >>. >> well, there's been a couple things that have changed. the backlash to nancy pelosi's comments on sunday, referring to congressman conyers as an icon and sort of downplaying the allegations because they hadn't -- nobody had come forward publicly. yesterday there was a democratic caucus meeting where this was brought up and a lot of attention brought to it and some members of congress leaving that meeting in protest, sort of feeling like it wasn't being taken seriously. the other thing this morning, the woman who was making these allegations about congressman conyers did come forward. so there have been a couple of
different changes but the biggest change i think is within the caucus and pressure on nancy pelosi to take a stronger line on this. so we're seeing her react quite slowly, but reacting nonetheless. i mean i agree with rebecca this sort of puts unrelenting pressure on congressman conyers to resign. >> and also seeing notes we could be hearing from congressman conyers' attorney in a few short minutes. as we've been hearing from sources, the congressman as of this morning is hospitalized near his home. rebecca, thank you so much. matt, thank you. lot of breaking news that we're following throughout the show today. also happening on capitol hill attorney general jeff sessions, is speaking behind closed doors to lawmakers of the house intelligence committee as part of their russia probe. this as cnn learns that jared kushner the president's son-in-law spent 90 minutes with the special counsel's team. what does this tell everyone?
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this comes as we're learning the president's senior adviser jared kushner met with them for 90 minutes to answer questions. let's bring in crime and justice reporter shimon prokupecz for the details on that one. what do you know about what happened in this meeting with kushner and what it means? >> we don't know much except the focus of what we are told that
people were very specific in telling us this. the questioning faced that kushner nasfaced had to do with michael flynn and his relationship and some of the russia meetings and some of the interactions that he and michael flynn had. that's basically all we are being told. we haven't been told any other questions were posed to kushner. this revelation comes as we learned that the attorneys for michael flynn are no longer sharing information with trump lawyers and other lawyers who are associated in the case. essentially leading people to believe that he is now in talks with us for a possible plea deal with a special counsel. i should read to you kushner's lawyer's statement. he said kushner voluntarily cooperated with all of the
relevant inquiries and will continue to do so as well as the investigation that is ongoing on the hill. >> thank you very much for the update. we have context and analysis. great to see you, paul. as they were laying out and the additional reporting on this meeting with kushner and the special counsel. it seems that they were mostly about as kushner had anything or not had information that would clear michael flynn. what does that mean to you? >> i'm not surprised at all. kushner said he would be open and cooperative with any investigation and he is following through on that promised strategy. the special prosecutor focused on flynn as a target and he is either going to get indicted or his son will get indicted, but they are filling out the case. when you look at kushner, he is
there at key points in time. for instance, in december of 2016, there was a meeting with the russian ambassador and flynn may have set up that meeting with kushner in the trump tower. flynn's meetings with the russians are central to the mueller investigation. kushner is cooperating as a witness with the special prosecutor. >> at what point in the investigation, kind of getting in the mind of the special counsel, why would you go to ask questions about michael flynn? >> late investigation. what you top the do is if you are doing an investigation like this, you want to interview all the peripheral figures first as you then move in towards the central characters who become the most important people. kushner may be somebody that they have to call as a grand jury witness to make out a case against flynn or his son or whatever target they are looking at. >> this meeting that they had and the questions were basically
about michael flynn, does this mean that kushner is not a focus himself of the investigation some. >> i think it reduces the probability that he is the focus of the investigation. kushner's lawyer would not allow him to go into a meeting like this if he had been hold that kushner was a target. this says the special prosecutor said kushner is not a target and he is confident that the testimony will be used against other people and not against kushner himself. this comes after flynn's attorneys were not there with regard to the investigation and what they are being asked. if flynn is negotiating with robert mueller, does that mean -- does it have to mean he has something on a bigger fish or could it be less than that? >> if he is cutoff communication with the rest of trump's legal team in the white house, the
suggestion is clear that we are coming to the end game on flynn. mueller is looking at maybe an indictment of flynn or his son or has leverage against flynn to cause flynn to be more cooperative and less cooperative with the president. that's all it says to me. whatever is happening with respect to flynn, something is going to happen in the near future. >> fascinating. thank you so much. still ahead, is the secretary of state on his way out the door? new report that is a plan is in the works to replace rex tillerson with the current director just as the trump as min station faces multiple threats abroad, least of which is the threat from north korea. the breaking news is coming up. your insurance company
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>> welcome to inside politics. i'm john king and thank you for sharing your day with us. full of breaking news. the president is on the verge of a major administration shake-up that forces out the secretary of state and replaces him with the cia director. john mccain becomes a yes on tax cuts and they believe they will be able to pass their plan and keep a major promise by week's end. a new groping allegation against al franken and a dramatic shift from the house democratic leader nancy pelosi after a woman accuses john conyers bravely speaks out. >> it's very